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Title: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on February 16, 2014, 03:33:15 pm
Journal editor Max Edwards would like some of the material in #12 to reflect the theme “LGBT & fantasy”. This could be for example fiction or poetry featuring LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) characters, or non-fiction concerning LGBT authors or writing. Submissions of material not relating to this theme are of course also welcome.

Submit your material (or send your ideas) to Sarah Newton for fiction (journal@britishfantasysociety.org), Stuart Douglas for non-fiction (features@britishfantasysociety.org), and Ian Hunter for poetry (poetry@britishfantasysociety.org).

Letters and artwork submissions should be sent directly to editor Max Edwards (journal@britishfantasysociety.org).

The deadline for #12 submissions is 5 May 2014. Full submission guidelines here. (http://www.britishfantasysociety.co.uk/bfs-journal-submission-guidelines/)
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Sarah Newton on February 17, 2014, 01:59:51 pm
Hi everyone,

Can I also chip in from the fiction standpoint that by an "LGBT theme" I'd also love to see stories more broadly exploring gender and sexuality. I've already received a couple of good and intriguing submissions; feel free to tackle the whole theme and its associated issues in all of our "fantasy" genres, including swords & sorcery, high fantasy, urban fantasy, magical realism, science-fiction and fantasy, historical fantasy, alt-history, alt-society, and anything else that inspires you. Hell, I'll even go with zombie stories this time if you can make it fit. ;)

This is the first themed issue I've been involved with, and it's good and meaty and I'm looking forwards to seeing some stirring and thought-provoking tales!

Best,

Sarah
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Stuart Douglas on March 06, 2014, 05:29:52 pm
And just to re-iterate, on the non-fiction side, I'd be delighted to read anything with an LGBT theme - from a history of gay genre writing to analyses of gay characters to discussions/interviews with gay writers to just about anything else you can think of.  And like Sarah I'd be delighted to get a little closer to gender parity, so anyting related to or by gay female writers would be particulalry welcome!

Best

Stuart
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on September 08, 2014, 08:58:35 am
Journal editor Max Edwards told the committee yesterday that this issue went to the printers last Thursday (September 4), but it hadn't been booked in so the turnaround may be a little bit longer than usual.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on October 04, 2014, 08:53:21 am
It's turned out that there has been a problem at our end with #12 of the journal, which as mentioned above the committee had understood to be already at the printers. Phil Lunt has stepped in to get that issue finished and off to press, and I will probably help with #13. We hope to have both issues with you before the end of the year.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on October 13, 2014, 08:33:46 pm
Max Edwards has resigned from the post of journal editor. He has asked us to post the following statement on his behalf:

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When I criticised the journal back in September of last year and subsequently applied for the position, I was a student: I had free time and some small journalistic experience. 'Easy,' I thought. Alas, life.

A fairly disastrous early 2014 – having to abandon my unliveable flat and find the money to live alone – coupled with a severe, and at times debilitating, ongoing skin condition, made my life difficult to say the least. My focus shifted from the Journal to getting a job: working my arse off in internships and work experiences, to the detriment of other projects. I got one, so it paid off, but my focus progressed to that It's not just the Journal that has suffered, but much of my life this year.

My general failure when it came to the journal made it worse. Where it mattered, I wasn't experienced enough and wasn't able enough, and for that I'm very sorry. All faults with Journal communication, timescale and production have been my fault and my fault alone.

I had high-minded ideas, ideas I continue to believe in when it comes to the Journal. That it should strive toward being a paying marketplace. That it should promote work by established and new voices. In particular, I continue to strongly believe that the Journal should promote equality in our community. I was, in my short stint, in the process of championing gender equality in the Journal. The BFS is the body that claims to represent British Fantasy fans, by its very name. It runs a highly successful convention and awards programme, and I think it is thus shameful that there are no elected women representatives on the Committee. In a genre so beset by talented women, I feel that the Journal can and should be at the forefront of promotion of gender equality across the British community, and implore my successor that they continue along the path to a gender equal Journal

I must thank my editorial team over the year, Sarah Newton, Stuart Douglas, Ian Hunter and Ewa Scibor-Rylska for their hard work and patience with me. Thanks too must go to the Committee, who helped me enormously, in particular Richard Webb for being a good friend, lovely man and being unfailingly understanding. My largest thanks must go to Stephen Theaker, for stepping in and stopping the ship from rocking on more than one occasion. He is an indispensable part of the BFS and cannot be more highly commended by me.

I believe the Journal has massive potential – potential I saw but that was out of the reaches of what talent I possessed. Given the right person to kickstart it, I believe the BFS Journal can have a lasting impact on the British Fantasy scene. It is with sadness, therefore, that I must resign from the position of BFS Journal Editor.

With best wishes to all, and I owe you drink at the next con.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Peter Coleborn on October 14, 2014, 09:49:42 am
QUOTE: I think it is thus shameful that there are no elected women representatives on the Committee.

[1] Look back over the history of the BFS re. females on the committee: Jo Fletcher, Di Wathen, Ro Pardoe, Nicki Robson, Jan Edwards, Debbie Bennett...

[2] Perhaps more women should put themselves up for election. Are we going to force them to stand?



 
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Allen on October 14, 2014, 12:51:40 pm
To Peter – I would add Marie O’Regan to your list of women who have had an enormous and beneficial impact upon the history of the BFS.
To Max – You came in with high ideals, which is not to be criticised. I appreciate your honesty that the role became too much and that you had to resign.
In general – I would suggest that the main focus right now should be getting issues 12 and 13 of the “Journal” out to long-suffering members. The question of “gender parity” is perhaps something that could be debated and discussed in the pages of a future “Journal” / at an AGM / at an Open Night…
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Jen on October 14, 2014, 03:44:42 pm
...Vicky Stock (when she was Cook), Helen Hopley, Jane Prior, Mel McLeod, Marion Pitman, Lou Morgan, Di Lewis, Amanda Rutter, Pat Barber and er, me! (hello!) ;)
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Peter Coleborn on October 14, 2014, 04:03:41 pm
I didn't intentionally miss out any of you marvellous ladies. Honest.

I agree with Allen -- let's get the society back to full speed first.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Allen on October 14, 2014, 05:23:17 pm
Hi Jen,
Yes, thank you very much for listing loads more significant women. How could I have missed out you and Pat? Or the lovely Vicky Cook (now Stock)? To which, I would also add Melissa Murphy, one-time editor of "Dark Horizons".
Maybe the point implicit here is that the female members of the society have always played a significant part in the BFS and will doubtless continue to do so with Sarah and Ewa currently in post.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on October 14, 2014, 05:27:00 pm
#12 is coming along very nicely in Phil's hands. Pretty much typeset, bar a couple of bits that need updating to take account of the time that's passed since copy was originally submitted. I've typeset about 40pp of material for #13, so that's building up well too.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Jen on October 14, 2014, 05:47:39 pm
Ah yes, Melissa Murphy! That's who I meant, not Mel McLeod - don't know where I got that from!  :o
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: David A. Sutton on October 14, 2014, 07:14:49 pm
The emphasis on this post should be the problems of the BFS journal/magazine. Not the non-existent "problem" of gender representation. No one is forcing any man or woman to write or not to write, to edit or not to edit. Use what's good, whoever has written it. If there's an "imbalance" so be it. Nothing to be corrected. That's just as it is.

Now let's find out how the BFS can improve.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: David A. Riley on October 14, 2014, 08:08:15 pm
The emphasis on this post should be the problems of the BFS journal/magazine. Not the non-existent "problem" of gender representation. No one is forcing any man or woman to write or not to write, to edit or not to edit. Use what's good, whoever has written it. If there's an "imbalance" so be it. Nothing to be corrected. That's just as it is.

Now let's find out how the BFS can improve.

I couldn't agree more. Quality not equality is what should matter to any editor. If I am not mistaken this is very much the position of editors of the calibre of Ellen Datlow, who said something much along these lines at the World Fantasy Convention in Brighton.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: jared on October 15, 2014, 12:15:48 pm
I couldn't agree less.

The status quo - which isn't diverse - won't change without active intervention. As an organisation that exists for the greater good of the genre(s) and those who read, write and aspire to write in it, I believe we have both the opportunity and the obligation to 'create the world we want'.

I don't think we're going to change one another's minds through a forum argument (or ever). But I did want my objection noted, lest someone drop by and think that the BFS is of one mind about this particular subject.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Jen on October 15, 2014, 04:09:22 pm
I couldn't agree less.

The status quo - which isn't diverse - won't change without active intervention. As an organisation that exists for the greater good of the genre(s) and those who read, write and aspire to write in it, I believe we have both the opportunity and the obligation to 'create the world we want'.

I don't think we're going to change one another's minds through a forum argument (or ever). But I did want my objection noted, lest someone drop by and think that the BFS is of one mind about this particular subject.

I'm with Jared. :D  The BFS could be more diverse, and needs to be more diverse if it wants to continue to be relevant to various genre people.   (And I've spent years arguing this, so I'll not repeat it again here!)
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on October 15, 2014, 04:12:12 pm
I don't think it's right to assume that gender parity must be at the expense of quality - the two things aren't at loggerheads. I've never heard anyone saying that sub-standard fiction should be published to achieve parity. Rather, the idea is that editors may (at least in some publishing niches where female writers are under-represented) have to work harder to source stories of the kind they're after that are by women. Working harder, not publishing worse. As far as non-fiction goes, it's not going to compromise the quality of the publication to interview one woman for every man, unless one assumes that there are not enough women worth interviewing. The goal of people who support gender parity isn't to compromise on overall quality, but to improve it, by keeping the individual quality just as high but providing more variety.

That's not to say I think the BFS should adopt a blanket policy of gender parity, and it hasn't. What I do think is that if you're doing work for us, you get within reason to choose how to go about it, what editorial principles to adopt. But getting the work done has to come first, and it's probably best to save the advanced challenges for after you've got the hang of the basics. We stressed all of this to Max when he first brought up the idea. As it is, gender parity is a total red herring here, nothing to do with why he got into a muddle. Those who dislike gender parity seem to be latching on to it as if it's to blame, while others sympathetic to those goals may be getting the impression that this was the heroic defeat of a youthful idealist, nobly battling those old reactionaries at the BFS! Both interpretations are wrong – he just stopped working on it.

As far as the BFS moving forward goes, I don't think the society should put itself again in a position where one person can bring our entire publishing programme to a halt, because everyone's unreliable sometimes. We need more diversity and redundancy, so that if one thing gets stuck, there's something else in the pipeline - or rather, there's another entirely separate pipeline. Another issue is that people with the skills we need tend to go off and start their own small and micro presses - I'd like to see them encouraged to pitch for one-off slots on our publishing calendar, letting them contribute without making a long-term commitment. I do think something needs to change. I'm helping again for the same reason I did with #10 and #11: the membership had been told a journal was on the way, and that wasn't true, so as a committee member I felt a sense of duty to put that right. But I think we need to do something different next year.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: jared on October 16, 2014, 10:07:43 am
As far as the BFS moving forward goes, I don't think the society should put itself again in a position where one person can bring our entire publishing programme to a halt, because everyone's unreliable sometimes. We need more diversity and redundancy, so that if one thing gets stuck, there's something else in the pipeline - or rather, there's another entirely separate pipeline. Another issue is that people with the skills we need tend to go off and start their own small and micro presses - I'd like to see them encouraged to pitch for one-off slots on our publishing calendar, letting them contribute without making a long-term commitment. I do think something needs to change. I'm helping again for the same reason I did with #10 and #11: the membership had been told a journal was on the way, and that wasn't true, so as a committee member I felt a sense of duty to put that right. But I think we need to do something different next year.

That's all a very good point. And, actually, 'themed' issues with specific editors would be fun - and a nice way of keeping things interesting and keeping the membership involved. That'd be quite cool, and a way of turning something that feels like an onerous responsibility into an honour. (Basically, cool idea!)

Also, at the risk of beating a dead horse until it comes back as a zombie and is then beat to death a second time, digital publications would be nice. As would paying contributors. (I'd rather an epub with paid contributors than a glossy journal with free content. The latter may be sexier, but I like the idea of my membership dues going back to help other members with 'pro sales', rather than an anonymous printer.)
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Des Lewis on October 16, 2014, 11:03:22 am
...nobly battling those old reactionaries at the BFS!

Indeed, not all old people are reactionaries, nor all reactionaries old.  8)

I agree that, whatever one's views on 'active intervention' or quotas or political correctness, I think it is a truism to say that, in all walks of life, we should all try to avoid unfairness stemming from gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, and age...
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Des Lewis on October 16, 2014, 11:16:29 am
Thanks to all those stepping into the breach with regard to the Journal.

I personally prefer unthemed journals so that I can find my own theme when real-time reviewing their fiction. :)
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Jen on October 16, 2014, 12:05:55 pm
Also, at the risk of beating a dead horse until it comes back as a zombie and is then beat to death a second time, digital publications would be nice. As would paying contributors. (I'd rather an epub with paid contributors than a glossy journal with free content. The latter may be sexier, but I like the idea of my membership dues going back to help other members with 'pro sales', rather than an anonymous printer.)

Digital publications would be awesome.  ;D  It might be worthwhile considering paying someone to do the actual ebook creating side of things so you're not reliant on changing volunteer skills and goodwill.  And I reckon the cost of that could easily be offset by the extra income from the new people who want digital subscriptions or just from sales of ebooks of various special publications.

Actually, on that, ebooks of special pubs available to the non-member public could be a way to rejuvenate things - you could specialise in genre related how to type guides/non fiction stuff - collecting the gathered industry/craft expertise of the BFS members/ BFS friendly people and so forth. And if you do them ebook only then it saves the poor stockholder additional stress! 
Ooh, and then get them on Spacewitch so you can sell DRM free versions. 

With BFS members getting them free as part of the membership, as per.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Peter Coleborn on October 16, 2014, 01:02:53 pm

Another issue is that people with the skills we need tend to go off and start their own small and micro presses - I'd like to see them encouraged to pitch for one-off slots on our publishing calendar, letting them contribute without making a long-term commitment.


I had suggested just this some time ago...
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on October 17, 2014, 08:50:12 am
When it comes to spending money, it's down to the committee member in charge of that area to make a case for it, and we're certainly persuadable, where a benefit to the membership can be demonstrated. We've paid for room hire for open nights, for example, and we were open to paying someone a small fee to typeset the journal.

I think it would require a very persuasive chair to sell the membership on paying contributors to ebook exclusives, Jared - we received some apoplectic emails about Shelflings, and that didn't cost the membership a penny! But something like a series of quarterly ebook exclusives that get collected in one print volume each year might leave everyone happy.

I'm not in principle opposed to paying journal contributors either, but there are a lot of them, and it would have to be fair and sustainable. I haven't been keen on ideas like paying for one pro author to contribute, or paying only fiction contributors. Giving journal contributors a five pound voucher off their BFS membership fees would be nice.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Peter Coleborn on October 17, 2014, 01:13:10 pm
If the BFS starts paying contributors then it should consider doing the same for editors, typesetters ... maybe the chair, secretary, etc. It might make the BFS more accountable, more professional. But subs would have to increase and I suspect most people would be against that. Reductions in BFS membership -- or free membership depending on the workload -- is sensible.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: jared on October 17, 2014, 04:39:06 pm
If the BFS starts paying contributors then it should consider doing the same for editors, typesetters ... maybe the chair, secretary, etc. It might make the BFS more accountable, more professional. But subs would have to increase and I suspect most people would be against that. Reductions in BFS membership -- or free membership depending on the workload -- is sensible.

That's a sensible alternative - and it would be nice to reward those who work for the society. I would think a sensible prioritisation would be creators and designers (typesetters, ebook formatters, etc) before staff. If only because of the way that looks (no one likes political bodies that vote raises for themselves, right?).

Although the benefit of giving BFS members more 'pro-paying' work is that it has a knock-on effect. (Something that a discounted/free membership doesn't.) It would let them qualify for other 'trade bodies' (SFWA, SoA, HWA, etc. etc.) and whatnot. And having more BFS members in more societies is good for the BFS (and other BFS members), etc. And a 'sale' always looks good for agents and such. Basically, turning it around so the BFS is contributing to its members' CVs, rather than the members contributing to the BFS's.

Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: jared on October 17, 2014, 04:41:04 pm
When it comes to spending money, it's down to the committee member in charge of that area to make a case for it, and we're certainly persuadable, where a benefit to the membership can be demonstrated.

So in the absence of an editor, who is the person in charge of making decisions on, say, the 'rotating editorship' scheme that was discussed above?

(£10 says the answer is "the chair", which also being absent means... I dunno. RIOTS IN THE STREET.)

(/riots)
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on October 17, 2014, 04:57:10 pm
At the moment, if someone comes up with a proposal, we discuss it as a committee and I suppose if it were needed we'd take a formal vote. Kind of like a commune.

It's working pretty well. When you have a chair, you assume they're on top of things and try not to step on their toes, but without one we're all equally responsible.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on October 26, 2014, 06:44:36 am
We've booked BFS Journal #12 in with the printers for November 3, which would normally mean you could expect it through your letterboxes by the end of that month. Obviously, things could go awry between now and then, but we'll let you know if they do, and we'll let you know when the issue has actually gone to press and what ETA the printers have given us.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on November 04, 2014, 06:50:22 pm
BFS Journal #12 is now with the printers, and if we’re lucky will be with BFS members and contributors by the end of the month. We’ve only ordered twenty-five spare copies, so if you’re not currently a member you’ll need to join quickly if you want to get your hands on one.

The issue features contributions from Beatrix M.G. Nielsen, Damien Kelly, Deborah Walker, Elaine Gallagher, Howard Hardiman, James Barclay, James Dorr, Jonathan Kemp, Jonathan Service, Jude Orlando Enjolras, Lea Fletcher, Max Edwards, Nick Campbell, Nigel Wilson, Rosie Garland, Roy Gill, Sarah Newton, Simon Marshall-Jones, Simon Spanton, Stewart Horn and Stuart Douglas.

The fiction was edited by Sarah Newton, the non-fiction by Stuart Douglas, and the poetry by Ian Hunter. The issue was typeset by Phil Lunt. The cover art is by Howard Hardiman.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: jared on November 05, 2014, 07:05:19 pm
Neat, thanks!

(Love Howard Hardiman's work - cool cover!)
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on November 06, 2014, 04:13:08 pm
The printers have let us know that they hope to be sending it out during the week beginning Monday, November 24. Obviously, there could be hiccups of all kinds between now and then, but with luck it'll be with UK members this month.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: leafwrites on November 28, 2014, 07:38:43 pm
Awesome! I received a copy of this in the post today, which looks great and is delightful, thank you! Just the one copy, though. As both contributor and BFS member, do I not get one for each of me? ;)
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on November 28, 2014, 07:50:29 pm
Sorry, no, just the one copy.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Phil Lunt on November 28, 2014, 07:52:37 pm
Awesome! I received a copy of this in the post today, which looks great and is delightful, thank you!

Thank you, though!! :)
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: leafwrites on November 28, 2014, 07:58:06 pm
Okedoke. Then, since I have a lot of people asking me and I don't know what to tell them, how does someone get hold of the rare and elusive additional copies? (:
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on November 28, 2014, 08:00:00 pm
It's a members-only publication, so they'd have to join the society, I'm afraid!

Here's the link: http://www.britishfantasysociety.co.uk/?page_id=3370
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: leafwrites on November 28, 2014, 08:12:48 pm
Ooh, you can get old ones even if you join after they've been posted out? I shall prod a couple of folks, then, ta.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on November 28, 2014, 08:21:10 pm
Yes, we buy the spares for people who join or rejoin between now and the next issue coming out. Members can also get access to the ebooks of back issues where available (one isn't planned for this issue, I'm afraid) and we sometimes offer print copies of older publications and back issues to members for free, bar the cost of p&p.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Peter Coleborn on November 29, 2014, 02:03:35 pm
Awesome! I received a copy of this in the post today, which looks great and is delightful, thank you! Just the one copy, though. As both contributor and BFS member, do I not get one for each of me? ;)

When I edited part of the Journal and chaired the BFS all contributors (of articles and stories) received a contributor's copy. I think it's wrong that has now stopped. I gather that non-BFS members receive a copy of the publication to which they contribute. Which means these folk get "paid", BFS members don't get "paid". I have expressed these views before now.

Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Wayne Mook on December 07, 2014, 07:15:04 pm
I was still renewing my membership when this was being sent, has it gone out? If it's gone then I don't have a copy, so how do I get a copy?

All suggestions eagerly awaited,


Wayne.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on December 07, 2014, 07:38:28 pm
No, sorry, just checked and you weren't on the mailing list for this issue, so you'll be reliant on the stockholder sending you a copy, if any remain. My understanding is that the secretary sends him a list of renewals and asks for copies to be sent, up until we run out, but to check whether one is on its way to you the person to email is Chris Teague (stockholder@britishfantasysociety.org). You are on the mailing list for #13, though.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Wayne Mook on December 08, 2014, 01:18:10 am
Cheers Stephen,

I've sent Chris an e-mither as stock holder.

I've had a quick look at the PDF sent, looks good.

Thanks,

Wayne.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: damosays on December 08, 2014, 12:11:20 pm
Just received my contributor's copy over here in Ireland, thanks so much to all involved, especially Sarah Newton. It's a lovely book, I shall have to join in the new year to get more. You do let some 'furners' in, right?
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Phil Lunt on December 08, 2014, 12:44:37 pm
Just received my contributor's copy over here in Ireland, thanks so much to all involved, especially Sarah Newton. It's a lovely book, I shall have to join in the new year to get more. You do let some 'furners' in, right?

We certainly do! :) http://www.britishfantasysociety.co.uk/?page_id=3370
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Des Lewis on December 11, 2014, 01:14:10 pm
I have just started one of my reviews of BFS Journal # 12
https://dflewisreviews.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/bfs-journal-12/
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: damosays on March 12, 2015, 02:00:04 pm
Lethe Press publish Wilde Stories, which collects the year's best gay speculative fiction, and this year's anthology will feature my story, "The God Within", from this issue of the Journal. Just wanted to say thank you, BFS and Sarah Newton in particular.
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: Rolnikov on March 12, 2015, 04:05:50 pm
Congratulations, that's great news!
Title: Re: BFS Journal #12
Post by: damosays on March 12, 2015, 07:58:07 pm
Thanks, Stephen.  ;D