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Re: David A. Riley
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2010, 02:52:00 PM »
It is still a novelty idea with most of the public, I guess.

Words printed on pages - not hand-crafted by monks... Now that's a novelty  ;D
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« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2010, 04:11:18 PM »
Someone posted a link to this article on Shocklines, which I thought highly pertinent to the discussion going on here - though it's a discussion that perhaps warrants a thread somewhere of its own.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-a-stackpole/publishing-crashes-in-201_b_532795.html

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« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2010, 05:37:48 PM »
Sounds about right to me. I doubt publishers will entirely die, though. Every author putting out books now could do it themselves on Lulu if they wanted, but they don't because they feel publishers have something to offer - polish, publicity, gravitas, all that stuff. I don't think that'll change.

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« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2010, 05:50:11 PM »
Sounds about right to me. I doubt publishers will entirely die, though. Every author putting out books now could do it themselves on Lulu if they wanted, but they don't because they feel publishers have something to offer - polish, publicity, gravitas, all that stuff. I don't think that'll change.

Without publishers (and their editors, I'd say) who would proof read the manuscript and remove excessive commas?  :D

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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2010, 11:28:17 PM »
Since posting some comments on the issue of self publishing and e-books I have been emailed by Joubert Nel, co-founder of Fifobooks, who specialise in ebooks. http://fifobooks.com/

The interesting details about this site are that it is an ebook marketplace where the authors:

retain all the rights to their work

maintain full editorial control

set the price at which their ebooks are sold, and keep the majority of the revenue

there is no fee to publish

Anyway, I am looking into this with regard, perhaps, to an older unpublished horror novel I wrote some years ago. It could be a worthwhile experiment. Certainly there would be nothing to lose, though first I must go through the manuscript very carefully to ferret out any typos, etc. Further on this later.

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« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2010, 08:35:35 AM »
You have to create your own ebook for them, which isn't great, and you won't get any payment at all until sales reach $200, which seems rather dodgy to me. You'd get a better deal with Lulu, though you'd still have to create your own epub file.

The thing that makes Feedbooks so handy is that you paste your text into it in a standard form, and then their site outputs it in whatever format is required - and it also feeds into various other pieces of reading software that draw from it, like Stanza. The downside of course for someone who wants to make money from their writing is that you can't sell through Feedbooks yet, only give away.

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« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2010, 08:43:17 AM »
"You have to create your own ebook for them, which isn't great"

I had a look into this, including the links they provide to free downloads for doing this, and that isn't too difficult. It only took me a short while to get a full novel set up. The only thing left now is to proof read it carefully - again not an issue. Writers really do need to get experienced at this. It's dodgy - as I have learned - to leave this to publishers.

"and you won't get any payment at all until sales reach $200, which seems rather dodgy to me"

This does seem a bigger issue to me. In fact, the issue of royalties from e-books in general seems a big one to me. How reliable are the figures by e-book publishers and marketeers? Are they even less reliable than from normal hard copy publishers?

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« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2010, 08:56:08 AM »
Creating an ebook is quite easy, but it's like any kind of typesetting - anyone can do it, but it doesn't necessarily mean the results are going to be optimal. Feedbooks can tweak the formatting of all the books on their service at once. Fifobooks aren't really a digital publishing platform, they're people who sell individual files - you could do exactly the same thing yourself on your website and keep 100% of the money.

Or the BFS could do it on our website (there's an idea!)

The difference between something like this and Feedbooks is that if a new device comes out, requiring a new format, or allowing new typesetting features, Feedbooks can make every book on their website available in that format all at once. With something like this (and Lulu do it the same way), every user would have to create a new file to sell in that format.

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« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2010, 09:37:13 AM »
Thanks for that, Stephen.

The ebook format does, anyway, look like something to be thought about very seriously today. It's obviously a venue that more and more people are using to read off, therefore it's something for writers to consider using to get published on.

I have started to use a novel which, though I like it myself, is perhaps a bit too old fashioned for most publishers to look at today, including most small press publishers. I think I might see how this goes down in the ebook format. If that does okay, it's a good enough sign to me that other stuff could go that way too.

It will be fun to mess about with it whatever the outcome - and some useful lessons could be learned from it.

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Re: David A. Riley
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2010, 09:40:55 AM »
Good point David. I have an old horror novel that looks a it like its simply out of fashion rather than no good at all. I might think about this method.

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« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2010, 09:45:36 AM »
Why not, Craig?  There doesn't seem anything to lose, providing we only use something that won't harm our own reputations - ie something shoddily written. (Of course there could be some who'd say that about the best of mine, but, hey ho...)  ;D

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« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2010, 09:55:35 AM »
Bear in mind too that a lot of these places don't demand exclusivity - so you can put your ebook on Fifobooks, Lulu, Smashwords (I think it is) and on your own website too - and Amazon's Digital Text Platform, once it's available in the UK.

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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2010, 11:19:35 AM »
Some how I get a Pandora feeling  :)

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« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2010, 07:05:27 AM »
I was sent this link to Smashwords as an example of where self publushing can go wrong. I think the text will explain itself.

http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/15091


But, at the end of the day, word of mouth and an author's reputation will decide whose books are downloaded and whose will forever remain on the shelf. Which is why it is important that an author makes sure that anything they have published online is checked, not only by the author themself, but to overcome their weaknesses - which may be spelling, grammar, bad habits, etc - they are thoroughly proofread and critically reviewed by other reliable people.

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« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2010, 07:21:48 AM »
It's pretty much the same as self-publishing a physical book, basically, with one marvellous difference - you can easily fix a mistake once someone points it out.

I'm always surprised that more writers don't ask for a Word version of their books (or stories) at the end of the publishing process. If you have that in hand, it makes it so much easier when you want to do another edition, or a collection.

Once or twice I've seen stories I've published collected in books and been a little frustrated to see mistakes I'd fixed re-appearing...